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primus96 · Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:31 am Post subject:

This film is marketed by that name but is Forte 200.
However I was wondering about the performance of the film. Its got extended red sensitivity, like Tech Pan.
That makes portraits look strange as people have no visible lips.
However my main interest is in landscapes & the shapes, lines & textures to be found.
Does it have any strange way of rendering grass under sunlight?
I have not used Ilford SFX200 in 35mm yet so I have no comparison.

paxety · Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 69 Location: Florida

I've used the film (JandC Classic 200 in the US) a little and did not notice any strange effects for landscape.
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primus96 · Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject:

I was wondering what the effect would be like under sunlight with a red or orange filter.
If the sensitivity runs further into the red than with a comparable film such as HP5 the grass will be rendered paler on the Classic Pan 200. It is reflecting infra-red wavelengths.

Perhaps it is more relevant to consider the effect it has on the way the red end of the spectrum is rendered.

If I photographed a person on Tech Pan their lips are rendered so pale as to be almost invisible. I like Tech Pan for its ability to be enlarged to extremes, but maybe not in portraits.

I thought that Classic Pan 200 would be similar but is easier to process.

As a teenager I had a huge crop of zits.
A portrait of me done on Forte/Classic Pan 200 would have been much more acceptable.
The same would go for someone with any red facial mark or scar.

glennfromwy · Joined: 29 Nov 2001 Posts: 903 Location: S.W. Wyoming

I have the dope on J&C Classic 200. If it's the same thing, the red sensitivity is around 720 nm, which, if the light is right and coming from the right angle may give results close to Ilford SFX 200. Or, it may not. The only way you are going to find out for sure is try it under various conditions. Angle of the sun to the subject, clouds, haze and time of day all will show different results at the red end. Good luck ------

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t.r.sanford · Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:55 am Post subject:

For portraits, you might try using a medium green filter. At one time, this was recommended for correct tonal rendering on panchromatic film in general, whether high-red-sensitive or not.

primus96 · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject:

What is the grain like for this stuff?
Has anybody made a practical comparison between this film and Ilford HP5?
Both films rated at their normal speeds of course.

Micah in NC · Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 94 Location: North Carolina

Hi folks,

I took the plunge and bought my first batch of 4x5" film that isn't either Polaroid (which, needless to say, I have developed and really liked) or Agfa Scala (shot 2 of 10 sheets, not gotten them developed yet).

As you might have guessed, the film I bought is J&C Classic Pan 200, 25 sheets worth. It just arrived in the mail today, so I'm very anxious to shoot some and see how I like this whole 4x5" experience.

I plan to develop this J&C film myself in my "new" Yankee daylight tank and print it to 8x10" size for now, that being the largest paper (and easel) I have at the moment.

(I have learned that I can mount my Pre-Anny 4x5 on the post of my old Bogen enlarger, in place of where the Bogen's enlarger head screws in--both being 1/4x20 thread--and use that as my stand because I have the 4x5 Graflarger back but no stand.)

I will probably just level the camera using a spirit level and make sure enlarger baseboard is level also. Sound workable?

If I get any results worth showing, I'll try posting them on the 'Net for anyone interested...

--Micah in NC

BobF · Joined: 20 Jul 2003 Posts: 41 Location: Canada

Ilford's SFX 200 has a peak sensitivity at 720 and extends out to 740 or 750 as the curve falls off. The J and C Classic 200 peaks at about 680. It does extend, in theory, out to about 720 but it is very weak at this point. The spectral sensitivity curve can be found here, http://www.jandcphotography.com/jandcdata.htm. It is the same as Fortepan 200.

primus96 · Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:40 am Post subject:

I have used the Classic Pan 400 from Retro Photographic in the UK.
I note that the developement time is exactly 30% or 1 stop beyond the time for Ilford HP5.
If you rated the film @ 200ASA the film will develope with HP5.

I think Classic Pan 400 is the same emulsion as the 200 with different developement time to acheive the extra stop of speed.

Another thing: Has anyone used any of the stuff in 'native' Forte packaging? What edge notching does the 200 have?
The 400 has a single V notch which looks as though it was cut in the packaging process as the paper sheets are cut too.

Siu Fai · Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Posts: 15

Sorry for catching on this topic pretty late.

The Classic Pan and Forte are actually different films. The Classic Pan is made by Foma in Hungary while Forte is Czech Rep.

I'm currently using Classic Pan 200 in 120 roll format and I quite happy with the results. The speed I'm getting more like 100iso and I'm soaking it in Rodinal 1:50. Next is to try some of those Classic Pan 400 in 4x5".

Micah in NC · Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 94 Location: North Carolina

Hi,

I finally got around to loading my Classic Pan 200 from J&C into my aged, motley assortment of film holders. There is a single "V" notch for these, too, so it sounds same as notch on the 400 speed film.

The inter-laced paper sheet dividers are also notched, as your 400 film's paper sheets were.

--Micah in NC

blowupinc · Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 11 Location: Baltimore MD USA

Classic Pan 200 does not have a extended red sensitivity like tech pan.

Sounds like you would like the Kodak Technical Pan film...

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Henry · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject:

Get it quick, Kodak has announced the discontinuation of Technical Pan.

David A. Goldfarb · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 142 Location: New York City